And hitting something hard at speed would strip the pods off the bottom as neat as you please. Volvo doesn't offer the option of in-water service. And, if you preferred to stand, Viking built the helm so you could control the pods with traditional dual levers.. Thats not chump change, but neither is it likely to produce heart palpitations in the owner of a million-dollar vessel. We back it up with a concierge service. One drive had a. Marlin Magazine may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. Most pods also require periodic removal and inspection of prop sets and seals, and re-greasing of the propshaftsfigure $250 per pod. Regardless of prop orientation, the first drives were a far cry from the watchlike beauties brought forth by Volvo Penta and, later, Zeus and ZF Marine. Somewhere in between the cost of straightening conventional shafts and rudders, and possibly even repairing transmissions, the advantage shifts back to pods. Each pod turns independently of the other, giving remarkable maneuverability. Right now, I cant talk anybody who wants pod-drives out of them, says Caterpillars Stephen Smith. While Buckley gets an impressive 50 mph with his pods, quad outboards would likely get another 5 to 10 mph. Imagine a 44-footer with three cabins, two heads, and inboards priced $20,000 less than an identical 44-footer with pods that, thanks to its aft-engine placement, has one more cabin or head. Due to security reasons we are not able to show or modify cookies from other domains. Ariel Pared is the president of SeeVee, which has built about 20 Volvo Penta IPS-drive boats. Then forward-thinking builders (Tiara, Cruisers, Regal, and Sabre among them) redesigned their boats for pod power and the technology became mainstream. Just add a bracket and bolt them on, install the digital controls and joystick and youre set. The new props dont ventilate, and their position alignment with the keel gave them a decided advantage by leveling the keel on the hole shot. Looking at other online sources, people seem to be in Love or Hate camps.what are the facts please? 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Arrogant factory leadership, poor parts fill, and high parts prices scared me off. The 390 with Volvo 600 IPS drives was absolutely one of the most fun and outrageous-performing boats I have ever driven. While it is possible to reuse lids to reduce your consumption cost, they will impact the flavor negatively, same way as a disposable cup will impact the flavour of your coffee negatively if reused. Volvo uses only one oil, while Cummins uses three different ones in Zeus drives. While the maintenance schedule varies somewhat among pod builders, its essentially the same. Unless I lived/boated in the same area where existed the Mecca of Zeus Service Centers (wherever that may be) I would steer clear (no pun intended) . Here are both performance charts. We backed around and spun both ways with speed I have only seen once or twice before. Its like a carnival ride. Mark their location any way you can, with a waypoint or a buoy, said Steve Little, president ofTowBoatU.S. Sure the stories are one-sided, but as an aggregate source of information, theyve led me to conclude that pods are no more prone to failure than inboards but that when a pod breaks, the repair bills going to be higher. Also, you dont know how often the shaft seals will need replacement. Pods have taken certain segments of the cruising-boat market by storm, and now big-game charter captains who were once fixed-shaft aficionados are embracing this new technology. Okay, the motors cost about $80,000 and $90,000, respectively. (See How Fuel-Efficient Are Pods, Exactly?) The biggest savings might come when the pods aft-located engines add interior accommodations. Zeus and ZF have only a few thousand pods in use. Its a whole new world of boathandling out there, one all of us can enjoy. At the 2005 Miami Boat Show Volvo Penta introduced its Inboard Performance System (IPS) and changed forever not only the way we run our boats but the way we think about running them. Partly because of their angle of attack and partly because of their slightly forward position under the hull, pods gave more speed, better acceleration and more miles per gallon on the same horsepower. We get a lot of oyster growth inside the drive intakes, Siebert said. The pods combine transmission, steering, and propulsion that would otherwise entail separate trans, shaft/prop, thrusters, and rudders. Some captains claim that the pods are too tall, requiring a higher deck to cover them. Discussion in 'Engines' started by JamCruiser, Jun 20, 2020. Pods, on the other hand, need annual TLC, and this means skilled work. IPS followed with its own, and ZF ponied one up too. Check them just like you check zincs on a shaft, Petzold said: Swim down and have a look. If one engine vibrates but the other doesnt while in neutral, the problem is likely in the always-turning jack shaft. Then with the joystick, it directs the transmissions to pivot or swivel. Bottom Line. Click to enable/disable Google reCaptcha. Zeus propeller shafts use a double-lip seal. Inboard props slip in both forward and reverse. All up, pod owners can expect to pony up something like an additional $2,500 for scheduled maintenance. Its docking. Sacrificial anode maintenance is both cheap and easily performed by the average inboard boat owner. On Zeus drives, check the steering oil reservoir dipstick, and check the clear reservoir for lower-unit gear oil for any signs of water seeping into the drive. Pods run quieter, cleaner, and more efficiently than traditional props. Ill bet everyone whos read this far is asking, How much does all this cost? Maintaining pods is a lot more involved than maintaining conventional running gear, and therefore more expensive. Pods are comprised of some very costly components, but theoretically, their modular design should yield some countervailing savings in labor costs. KISS Keep It Simple Sailor. Im a pessimist, however, and because of this Id budget $3,000, quite an upcharge from just replacing zincs. Thats the biggest attraction and why [pods] gained acceptance among a lot of enthusiasts, who wanted a certain size of vessel and want to move from a 28 to a 34 to 40 but were not comfortable with maneuvering inboard boats. Pods are robust.. All told, figure $500 per engine annually, plus haul-out fees. After the tests in Sweden, I then did a leg of the trip on that first Tiara Volvo demo boat, heading west in the New York State Canal from the Hudson River to the Great Lakes. $44 MediaLight Mk2 Flex 4m D65 6500CRI98 Bias Lighting USB powered ComputersTablets & Networking Laptop & Desktop Accessories USB Lights & Gadgets I often hear stories about Mercury paying for expensive replacement parts when their Zeus units need work out of warranty. Zeus ArcPods Lid pack filled with 50 paper lids for the Zeus ArcPods (sold separately). A very hard grounding is also likely to cost less with pods, since theyre meant to shear off and then go right back onto the boat with just a thorough service and new bolts. Pods are more prevalent in the pleasure-yacht category than in sport fishing. We may request cookies to be set on your device. Ignore it and you can forget about that edge in fuel efficiency over inboards. They have shafts, they have props, and they can get more if they need them. Fortunately the 42 Express cockpit is well laid out for Zeus . I was surprised by how light and long lasting these were. Units that under our Hassle-Free Warranty program are covered directly by TVAPE and do not require you to deal directly with the manufacturer. Most pods also require periodic removal and inspection of prop sets and seals, and re-greasing of the propshaftsfigure $250 per . By continuing to browse this website, you agree to the use of cookies. The biggest thing marketed to promote the system was its efficiency compared to a regular shaft and prop system, as well as joystick maneuverability. But point and shoot was only part of it; IPS also claimed more speed and better fuel efficiency (the precise amount of each is still up for discussion), and thanks to its aft engine placement, more interior space and lower interior sound levels. The boat had a set of outriggers, and fishing out of Beaufort, North Carolina, we caught the first billfish ever with an IPS drive system. In addition, I enjoy the added efficiencies Tony mentions above. Fuel savings can be weighed against additional maintenance, but economy varies with each boat and depends on how its used. Pods operate independently of one another to provide vectored thrust in any direction, which makes the vessel incredibly maneuverable. Richard Thiel, in February 2014. We only go around once anyway, so pay the money, grab the joystick, and have some angst-free enjoyment. With the pods, there is only a very slight, nearly unnoticeable change in the amount of flavor in the vapor, but it's a very small trade-off for the level of convenience that they deliver. These versatile drive systems are not as popular as once thought. I was always an outboard guy, he says. Today, pod-powered boats are common in any yacht yard, and qualified service and repair technicians are easy to find along the waterfront. They get people excited about buying a new boat.. We didnt have to touch it until we got back to San Diego.). Ask to see the service records for the boats first year. While builders debated the benefits of the different pod designs, many new boaters were simply seduced by the joystick maneuvering system. Hes also got a lot of applications engineering in his background. To me the unit as a whole is way to complex than it needs to be. We recommend consulting with a licensed physician before using a vaporizer. Over time, fishing line will damage the seal, and it can score the shaft, too. How to Manage Boat Finances During a Recession, Gamefisherman 43 Express on the Drawing Board, Marlin Expeditions Offers Light-Tackle Paradise in Guatemala. Like most everything, making the decision to go conventional or pod is a personal choice. Volvo Penta officially introduced IPS (Inboard Performance System) pod drives at the 2005 Miami Boat Show; Cummins and ZF Marine followed, one and four years later, with their own versions. Look for signs of corrosion. Zeus has two zincs attached to each trim tab. The lids are essential and for one-time use only. Theoretically. Our white marlin came in hot on the teasers we fished up close to the boat. Using a ZF transmission, it could mate any marine engine (Yanmar and Caterpillar have been popular partners) to its pods. are zeus pods still being manufactured. However, I think the best application I have run to date was a 39-foot SeaVee with pod-drives. So how big is the pod market? Each pod has 2 props and they are different. At first no one trusted them; now you can hardly sell a car without one.. Finger pointing is worse in any situation when it is out of warranty, then you are left on a deserted island. Instead, Zeus pods came with traditional aft-facing props and the traditional exhaust-through-hub design. "Cummins says you don't have to haul, but it takes a lot more time to suck that heavy oil out than to just drain it from the bottom," Siebert said. Not so. (Volvo Penta soon followed suit.) Inboards require sacrificial-anode replacement, prop adjustment, cutless bearing repair, shaft alignment, and a method of controlling marine growth. Its important to maintain good antifouling. Pods have water intakes, exhausts and other places that are inviting to marine critters, and keeping them out is important. A Valid Government issued Identification is required to receive product. Inboards are virtually maintenance-free, while pods require lots of servicing. The transmission and steering units are quite robust and I dont expect any serviceability issues from them. I rarely say this but if your dead set on a pod option I would put Volvos in. They said it was so easy a child could do it, and sure enough, it wasnt long before a lad barely out of kindergarten deftly maneuvered a 40-footer into a slip all by himself. And there are computer-controlled, straight-shaft systems that can juggle shifts, throttles, and a thruster or thrusters with a joystick, too, using traditional split-shift techniques. As one broker told me, Its like automatic transmissions. 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Gear, people, supplies, fuel and water lug a boat down, and the more it settles in the water, the more impact it has on your speed. For people who have been boating for 30 years, the quiet, smooth operation and the clean exhaust are really going to surprise them., But Collins thinks the pods advantages are even less quantifiable. The company didnt invent them, but it made pod a household word among boaters. Such tales are grist for boaters imaginations, as is the mere idea of components made of expensive, finely machined alloys dangling below the boat, protected by neither keel nor shaft. Cummins QSC 8.3 Zeus pods long term support, https://www.yachtforums.com/converszeus-pods-long-term-support.17232/#navigation, https://www.sabreyachts.com/motor-yachts/fly-bridge-sedan-48/fly-bridge-48-performance-data, (You must log in or sign up to reply here.). (Changing engine oil at least yearly is a good idea, too, even if you dont hit the hour limit.). I liked the ZF right away. I stay on top of the maintenance, oil and everything and never had a breakdown., Some people complain about the top-end speed of pods. Click to enable/disable essential site cookies. (And when the struts rip out, they can take parts of the hull with them, something that probably wont happen with pods.) We use cookies to let us know when you visit our websites, how you interact with us, to enrich your user experience, and to customize your relationship with our website. A failed shaft seal lets water into the pod, with unfortunate and expensive results. And the Zeus pods also came with a joystick. Cummins Marine Diesel Repower Specialists Forums Cummins Marine Engines Zeus Pods: Good, Bad, Ugly?? Rob makes a very good point about service network and availability of skill in your intended cruising area. The other issue was when the owner sold the boat they did a oil sample and found water and both lower units had to be resealed and a main shaft had to be changed. We have a strong global network, says Robert Mirman of Cummins, who leads the charge for Zeus. There are many reasons why everyones not on the pod bandwagon. But who cares, really? Our drives are made to stand up to a light freshwater rinse, Fessenden said, but dont blast them with the hose. Fessenden suggests a light coating of Mercurys corrosion spray. And joystick piloting? FREE shipping on orders of $100.00 and above. It seems that the Zeus pods have evolved over the years and later systems are more reliable than earlier ones. I can do a 180 in about a second and a half. I have a 2013 Sabre 42 with the Cummins/Zeus pod units. We do a lot of high-speed trolling for wahoo at around 16 knots, and all the exhaust is under the water, so you dont smell diesel fumes.. By turning pods in opposite directions and running one in forward and one in reverse, the vessel can be pivoted more quickly and easily than in either outboards or inboards. Pods require drive-oil changes every 250 hours or annually. Some could be rotated 180 degrees and run adequately facing either fore or aft. Both throttle and steering. Were still trying to sort through the answer to that one. Also demanding periodic attention are hydraulic steering, transmission, and lower-unit oils. nonprofit grants for financial education; wire harness in solidworks; brooklyn, crime news today; alkaline breakfast smoothie; utsa football national ranking; A frequently overlooked benefit of IPS is this new stateroom, made possible by the compact power installation. If you refuse cookies we will remove all set cookies in our domain. are zeus pods still being manufactured how did lesley sharp lose weight julho 1, 2022. jack the ripper documentary bbc . You dont have to redesign it to get our joystick maneuvering system. The company has built exactly one 42-footer without pods since, versus a dozen boats with the pods option and another 50 of the new, pod-only 42-footer. Great contribution Blue Magnolia..that rings true and honest. Check the status of an existing order here. International service is also a concern for pods. The Zeus ArcPods are the convenient method of preparing, loading, and transporting your dry herb for use with your, Fashioned out of high quality aluminum, the Zeus ArcPods are designed to hold up to 0.3 grams of dry herb and work perfectly with the. Zeus Arsenal has always made only reliable, well-performing devices that go beyond just being the perfect daily driver. Estimating the yearly cost isnt easy either, since yard rates vary and some pods need more upkeep than others. We fully respect if you want to refuse cookies but to avoid asking you again and again kindly allow us to store a cookie for that. Yes, BM, thanks for all the info and posting your actual experiences always adds a lot of value to any discussion. Interestingly, the most notable early prop-forward applications were in ice-breaking ships launched in 1990 an interesting defense to the argument that forward-facing props were too vulnerable to debris. Its more maneuverable than an outboard, and you dont have any engines on the back.. Plus, when we haul the boat, well catch problems a diver wont see.. Volvo includes neither a water alarm nor a clear reservoir, so check the single transmission and gear oil dipstick for signs of water. Whats another three grand, compared to the cost of a boat big enough and upscale enough for pod drives? Its better to do it at haulout, when the oil can be drained by gravity, rather than sucking it out with a pump. The drive can be simultaneously connected to electric propulsion too. The inboard has simplicity and ubiquity. That said, I have heard good things. A couple of tanks of fuel? Heck, Mercurys Verado 400R comes with a two-year warranty, even though its got Racing painted on the cowl. Volvo has one zinc hidden, but accessible, on the drive itself. I liked the idea of being able to handle the boat from the helm seat instead of standing up all the time. Full details on shipping can be found here. On the Cummins side, only two Cummins dealers on the Chesapeake have been to Pod school. Of course neither of these statements is true. It seems like this new tech gadgetry would have been off-putting to the salty captains, and it was, particularly among the sport-fisher crowds, who already had their docking and fish-fighting skills well honed. The 42 Convertible is up to Hull number 10 but we are up to 36 hulls for the Open version, he says. Goes without saying: Its got ZF Smart Command 5000 drive-by-wire. ZF also built far larger pods that could handle far more horsepower. Comfort Onboard comfort is improved too. A Bonnier LLC Company. Dont compare them to stern drives. There arent many external mechanicals, no rubber bellows or other components to fail, he added. Running the boat for too long on break-in oil can shorten the life of the pods innards. They tasked ZF Marine to bring them a transmission that would mate with their Zeus pod, electronic controls and joystick steering. And maneuverabilitywell, any good sportfishing captain can put his ride wherever he wantswithout a joystick. If we have to go searching or put divers in the water, thats another story. To prevent later claims of piracy, come to an agreement beforehand, Little said. Most new boats developed in the 35- to 45-foot class were pods. Grant Bentley captains Home Run, a 60-foot Spencer. The maneuverability of the boat is what sells it, especially in close quarters, he says. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Using a fresh arcpod lid enables you to visibly see which one of your pods is used and which ones have been depleted. Make sure theyre specifically trained, or at least have several years of experience, Siebert said. It might save the cost of a divorce on cruelty-while-docking grounds, too, a way bigger budget-breaker than pod drives. With its forward-facing counter-rotating propellers, Volvos IPS pod-drive is a unique system. I am looking for one that has been treated well and run as close to the ideal as possible. The boat never missed a beat, much to Pareds elation. Petzold said the most common problem he sees with pods is owners not maintaining the corrosion protection. Pods cost more, period. Zirk fittings require grease in U-joints and at both ends of jack shafts that connect engines to drives. All in all saves a lot of cleaning hassle and maintenance costs- cleaning is primarily focused on the mouthpiece and associated parts with a quick wipe of the chamber. Zeus allows for simple control o. No more packing on the go, just pop in and enjoy. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, Zeus ArcPods are finally here! He too is in love with the sport-fish mode and its maneuverability. To start with, Zeus and IPS boats have to be hauled after their first 25 engine-hours. I have personally ruled out any boat with PODS, IPS or ZEUS, for those 2 main reasons. Being new to power boating, I selected this configuration for ease of docking and it has been fabulous. ZF Marine entered the pod fray when its exclusivity agreement with Zeus expired. Around here most mercury dealers wont take it on. As you will find by reading the articles on this forum about prop load and engine life, the resulting need to swap out your props with the Pods is expensive when compared to regular shafts and props. Cummins says you dont have to haul, but it takes a lot more time to suck that heavy oil out than to just drain it from the bottom, Siebert said. Over the years, Ive found online forums to be some of the most ready places for first-hand accounts of engine-related problems. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. I'll also add that I REALLY like pods for the fuel efficiency (25-40% better) and maneuverability in a twin engine application.
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