Does blue have something to do with this strange punishment ritual? It looks like a turtle shell hanging on the right side of the picture (its further up). We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. No chance. They earn money through drug trafficking, often theft and sometimes by extorting businesses. For goodness sake, why do people make things up? Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. Would like to know exactly where and when the final day photo was taken. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. He drowned a short time after. Im starting to think the girls were lured to Panama by some kind of human trafficking organization that might even be run out of the Netherlands. There have been several mass graves uncovered there in the last year alone. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. A man and a woman. https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. But, Who took the photos on later dates? Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. Jump forward to Boquette now and you will see a photo of the girls in the street, and behind them is a shirtless fat white man. Where did you hear this? To me, this photo says it all. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. The abductor did not take their things because hes not a thief. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? You can even see clear rods in the red areas towards the top going straight through. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. I am thinking while I am writing so please be patient with me. Her phone is dead. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. But someone may not like it, so I hope that you will be very carefull! According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. These nameless trails arent monitored or maintained by park rangers. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. May the case stay alive and well. We live in interesting times. Photoshopping is not hard to do nor is it very tactical as many have proposed here. The fact that one of the 112 called connected for 2 seconds and they did not redial it immediately, is also well dodgy. Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. If the Calderas photo is genuine as you believe, then I sadly think the two girls were killed shortly after by the two young men (and possibly the taxi driver), and the police knew and bumped the lot off. Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. Caruso, 56, died on June 17 after staying at the Boca Chica Resort in Santo Domingo. But shes too far out now. Cats are often seen as pests and scavengers which is unfortunately why many people use poison to kill local cats. Im not sure if Ive found something new here, but I havent found anyone else discussing these details online. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. Dimedes Abrego - 12 years in prison. There are no discernible scratches of any kind on the bones, neither of natural nor cultural origin there are no marks on the bones at all. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. But absolutely everything points to it being a case of underestimating the jungle and dying from exposure. Hi Lisa, I wrote an in-depth analysis of Kriss bones here: The government officials involved failed at providing a thorough analysis/evaluation. And remember that the legitimate photos we have came from Juan. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. Its all speculation until more answers are found. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. She is clearly shielding her eyes from the sun by holding her right arm up. There is what appears to be a well trodden, narrow path to the left of her which passes behind her and enters a very dark area at the back right, which could be the cave. I think someone followed the girls, caught them, killed them and brought them somewhere, hid them, so they were never found. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. Europe is the world . This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. Cops quizzed locals, tour guides and other hikers, but only the photos and call logs provided a slither of evidence as to what had happened. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. More info here. The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. They very quickly realized that they could not find the point where they entered the jungle and if they were in trouble, and that is when the 911 calls started. People claiming the floor is made out of skulls, that there is a booby trap above her head, that there are 5 men with rifles watching her, that there are snakes hanging down, that she is at some sort of human sacrificial alter etc. I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. play. Yes! You can even see the shadow of her han on her face. However, one particular group of indigenous people were discovered (updated, old link) in January 2020 to be capturing people, torturing them and offering them as human sacrifices. Im baffled as to why this case hasnt been investigated more, if not for protecting an indigenous tribe. The blue object looks like it could be a crushed beer can. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. The girls phone records later showed that they started making their initial distress calls on their cell phones approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes after their last known daytime photo (Photo 508). Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. In the picture of her in the Cave? Hi Chris! They do nothing to further discourse surrounding this tragedy and only attract people who think its fun to join in with conspiracies about the deaths of these two very real girls with very real families (who are suffering tremendous heartbreak). He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. What I find most concerning is her face. Hopefully, this 2021 investigation can find the truth of exactly what happened. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! Also theres a distinct small x made of branches or plastic in the top-mid right corner of the pic amongst the foliage that looks a part of the make shift roof/net. I wondered if it was a mirror or piece of metal and her reflection. Basically, theres a lot of government corruption and poverty as a result. Think. Emergency. Totally agree. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) It appears to me that Kris has her right arm to her right temple and you can see part of her left elbow. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? PANAMA CITY BEACH Local officials agree that traffic is the No. The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. And her shirt is pushed up. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. I never received a response. This is likely part of the trail on the way down from summit, that maybe turns sharply. These were of seemingly random objects, like a stick with plastic sticking to it, as well as scenes of foliage, canyons, anda bridge. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. However, visitors are still a crucial part of the local economy and the reason the. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. This case has captivated me. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. The science can speak for itself. Also, no organ stealing, no cartels, no people traffickers, nothing to do with tribes, cults, sects, etc. Right hand is on her hip/slightly behind back, the left is hanging down on her side or in her pocket I cant tell. Hope there will be a reasonable explanation to everything one day. Phone records. Loads of speculations as to why they didnt leave messages to their families. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. For one, the girls' camera had photos on it from hours after they stopped dialing emergency services. I believe one fell. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. Does anyone know if the dog they brought with them is in any photos from the hike? I think they knew too much and someone wanted them to be silenced forever. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? The backpack contained sunglasses, a camera, two cell phones,money,two bras, Froon's passport, and a water bottle. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. I have watched so much about this case and this is the first time I have heard that the parents withheld photos. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. Ella divide en dos la historia: las fotos anteriores a la 506 son de alegra, la foto 506 es de pnico y la 507 y 508 de preocupacin. In this one its clear that Kris has her hand up, closed eyes and stuck out tongue. I know that its highly irregular for 17 foreigners to uproot their lives and relocate to the obscure jungles of Panama, especially for the purpose of sacrificing locals (whom are often Catholic). I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. There were no signs at that time. There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. On one website, almost every user is convinced, that all the daylight pictures were photoshopped, even this one here, No.505. The simplest is for them to disappear. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. It looks a bit wierd, but that is just because everybody is assuming they see her upper arm when in reality is is her lower arm. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? The bag contained her camera as well as two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, Froons passport, a water bottle, two bras, and both womens phones. Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? Shes ducking down slightly and trying to shield her eyes from the sun with her right arm. And one of the images chillingly showed the back of Kris' head with what some sleuthes believe is blood leaking from her temple. But there are a few holes in this particular theory. I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. Dogs are very independent here. Sorry Chris, having re-read what you said at the beginning of your article and having stared at the photo a for a bit longer, I can definitely see the corner of a kind of pitched, thatched roof of a what looks like a man-made hut. Nice investigation. Youre welcome to do that other places online. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? All items were in one place at this point, and together the elements and biology dispersed them and kept some for the jungle. Theres a red cord tied around her waist that wasnt on her in any of the other photos. Do mobile phones store the number entered? Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. Cheers. This! The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. She looks disorientated almost. If you think America is a safe country youre extremely ignorant or niieve. It is extremely easy to photoshop a photo once it has been darkened. Thanks for sharing this info. For other inquiries, Contact Us. People began to suspect something happened whenthe dog Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Keep in mind nobody has seen all of the photos and we dont know why. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. OmgIm staring at this pic. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. I dont see any pit. You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. No Chris, I assure you, police investigations are routinely botched like this in the third world. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. In this case, I dont believe it was incompetence alone. After days and days, they finally got a bit of reception and some hope, and they didnt try again?? Im always looking for answers. Again, these are just observations. If they did, then Im wondering if the dog named Blue went with them or was allowed in the taxi. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. I have one questions for you, regarding the 90 photos taken at night: if these were not taken by one of the girls in an attempt to provide light or whatever, what possible purpose could anyone else, such as an attacker, have in taking these photos? This person was a local cleric. But they are hurt and they are lost. Thanks for pointing this out. Thanks for your comment. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. Why would they remove them? What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. 1. Celebrity. I think the last three photos of Kris show a definite change in mood. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations.
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