That's a tough one without knowing what the actual letters are. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. Should I get a replacement liner and chinstrap or just leave it as it is? on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France ' var year=mydate.getYear() For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. Upon the United States entry into the global conflict in April 1917 it urgently needed supplies of the new kinds of steel military headgear which the French, British and Germans had developed since 1915. The following is an identification guide for vintage military helmets of Spain. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. Im thinking about making a visit to the Imperial War Museum in London to show one of their specialists as it seems to be hard to find information about it. Your link has been automatically embedded. So these were our deliverers at last." However, he has recently discovered that apparently all Brodie and Mk.I helmets were pressed by Joseph Sankey and Sons, so the the initials simply indicate the steel supplier. Hello Leon. and Gen. Hos. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. The design was esentially the same in WW2, but there are a number of specific differences between the two and once you recognise these differences, such as the width of the brim (wider in WW1), you find you can tell one from another very easily. dailyinfo[6]=' 345190 Sapper Forrest A. KNOWLES Canadian Signal Corps who died 06/03/1921 REIDS MILLS CEMETERY Canada ' WW2Helmets.Com observes all Federal, State and local laws. By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. Very Solid condition. $11295 The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } New user here. Eventually all his knowledge will be distilled in a book. Helmets and Headgear, Shortly after the US declaration of war in April of 1917 the US ordered around 400,000 helmets from the British for use by, the American Expeditionary Force. By Parrotman287 1 year ago. dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' helmets which have a wide range of different paint colours and textures, most of these new helmetswere made in early 1941. The M1 came in two parts, a hard metal shell or cap on the outside, and an inner liner hat made out of softer and more malleable materials. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? i read threads forum about brodie he This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, "I pressed forward with the others to watch the United States physically entering the War, so god-like, so magnificent, so splendidly unimpaired in comparison with the tired nerve-racked men of the British Army. leon21 liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. These have some 115716872255 You can post now and register later. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . The American manufactures used an entirely different method to apply the paint to the helmets. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. Display as a link instead, If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. Good to see that copper rivetswere used. Display as a link instead, Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' Paste as plain text instead, The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. Royal Warwickshire Regiment who died 12/03/1918 ST. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt by way of a steel split rivet. The helmet was manufactured in just one stamping procedure. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. Related Weapons & Armor. External view of a Helmet, Steel, Mark I. RELAWM01013 Internal view of a Helmet, Steel, Mark I. RELAWM01013 Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. Adrian Blake takes a look at collecting such helmets and the huge range and variety that were in use. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. The cover was made from the same type of cloth the sand bags the held up the trench wall were made of. blue brodie helmet(or not) identification; Display your banner here. 2nd Bn. This difference along is enough identify the origin of the helmet. It is a much heavier and more robust design. [1] Contents 1 Background Many originals show evidence of the bails being replaced. I know not many American helmets made it overseas, and the painting of division badges on helmets seem to be inconsistent. By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. Here is a good thread with a posting describing the British manufacturer codes. and 34th Coy. WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. Pasted as rich text. and Gen. Hos. The sellers description may read, American WWI helmet or British WWI helmet. The finalised model which went into mass production using Hadfield Steel from late 1915 onwards weighed 2.4 pounds or 1.1. kgs. Powered by Invision Community, Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification, Helmets- mainly WW2 British and Commonwealth, both Civil Defense and from field service. Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches. Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer the corners been cut off, can't make out the shape in the photo. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. Good, they are MK II lugs, so that puts it in theWW2 period. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' Nevertheless there was some effort to produce a more advanced version of the M1917. What mythical beast could that be?? The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' He was the head ofthe South-West ministry of publics works. Consequently the Infantry Board resumed its experiments to produce a new design. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. Heres a photo of a little of the remaining paint, it seems dark grey/green to me, and a photo of the inside. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. 1st Bn. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. The helmet shell is indeed a M1* with an early made Vero liner. By DizzyDeano96 12 months ago. Though I do not know the code for the manufacturers. Pasted as rich text. dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. Thank you for that feedback! Canucks? Also on the remains of the liner there should also be a date/maker name. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. Hi J.H.E. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. 2nd Bn. I believe they were numbered 1-24. Manufacturing Co - Philadelphia - Pennsylvania. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' Although to the untrained eye the helmets may look the same, it in the small details where the differences may be observed. document.write; Clear editor. It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. Thanks for these pictures! Both helmets are made from hardened manganese steel. I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. Inland = Inland Manufacturing Co ( General Motors ) - Ohio. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. And later the Germans. This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. He was in standard active service but was injured in 1941/42 and it was then when he was positioned at Parliament. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . Download this stock image: Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World Cup downhill ski race was cancelled at Lake Louise, Alberta, Friday, Nov. 25, 2022. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green?
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