Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Thats my life.. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. 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Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Hair we go. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. I expect she will admit it one day. Search is on. WATCH LIVE: Ex-boyfriend on trial for allegedly killing womans new beau, WATCH LIVE: Psychic on Trial in Spousal Swindling Case, WATCH LIVE: XXXTentacion murder trial 3 men charged in 2018 shooting death of rapper, Law&Crime Looks Ahead to 10 Remarkable Criminal Trials Scheduled for the First Half of 2023, 9 Shocking Times Defendants Testified at Trial, A bald Alex Murdaugh appears in booking mugshot after hes sentenced to two life terms for killing wife and son, Im a father and I couldnt do this: Florida man convicted of murdering almost 3-month-old baby boy, Jan. 6th rioter who stole Officer Michael Fanones badge following Capitol assault pleads guilty, Former reality TV star gets life sentence for murder-for-hire plot targeting nephew, O.J. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Ms. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Until next time, cheers. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! The evidence was all there. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. I really never thought of it again.. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Sad discovery. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Meticulous primping. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. (A good point. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. And Patricia did live in another state. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Or did they? Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? That poor child and that poor woman. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Dial-a-problem. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? She took out the woman who replaced her. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. She hadn't lived long enough.". It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. It makes me sick. All rights reserved. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. They are a joke. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. It has very bad energy. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. (Ross Township Police Department). Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. I noticed quite a few errors myself. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. This article is little more than fiction. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. Nailed? I agree. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! 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Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. It was total shock. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Animals would have for sure. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Lie detectors are pseudo science. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. It's been a long three years for them.". Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that.
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